My son is upset!!!

[Mrs Lady C]

He found out today a friend 17 who he sits next to at college died in a horrific car accident on Tuesday, the other teens in the car are currently in a life threatening condition one girl has broke her back in 6 places,the car they crashed into was the librarian from the same college she is also in a critical condition, my son went to the accident scene to lay flowers with his college group earlier today, its very sad, RIP chas.
http://www.thisissomersetguardian.co.uk/

[sweepy]

Omg thats terrible sooo young .
sweepyxx

[missstroppy]

Thats terrible :(

[angelbee]

That's so sad hugs for your son :hug:.
Tragic x.

[Twinks]

So terribly sad, my thoughts are with you all as it affects more peple than you first imagine x

[princesskerry]

This is so sad, I'm thinking of your son, What a terrible waste of life, at 17 he had his whole life ahead of him.

[zoot]

so, so sad. my thoughts go out to the families of all involved.

[heatherks]

sorry to hear this thinking of your son and the families of those involved in the accident

[addictedtosaving]

Sorry to hear this. Hugs to your son, and my thoughts are with the families of the deceased and the injured.

[tyroleandancer]

He found out today a friend 17 who he sits next to at college died in a horrific car accident on Tuesday, the other teens in the car are currently in a life threatening condition one girl has broke her back in 6 places,the car they crashed into was the librarian from the same college she is also in a critical condition, my son went to the accident scene to lay flowers with his college group earlier today, its very sad, RIP chas.
http://www.thisissomersetguardian.co.uk/

Such a tragic thing to happen
Plenty of hugs for your son. Will he talk to you?

[Zaul]

What a tragedy.You must be worried about your son too CL.Try and keep him talking about how he feels.At that age they bottle things up too much.

[The Wizard of Oz]

He found out today a friend 17 who he sits next to at college died in a horrific car accident on Tuesday, the other teens in the car are currently in a life threatening condition one girl has broke her back in 6 places,the car they crashed into was the librarian from the same college she is also in a critical condition, my son went to the accident scene to lay flowers with his college group earlier today, its very sad, RIP chas.
http://www.thisissomersetguardian.co.uk/

OMG - sorry to hear this - its also very spooky and has shaken me up as in Jan 1989 one of my then best friends and neighbour was seriously injured and her brother killed in almost exactly the same spot on that road - he was 17 at the time and she was 15. After reading the article (it was strange reading The Somerset Guardian again - its been a while) the accident looks identical to the one just over 20 years ago.

I was 16 at the time and can remember the whole time to this very day - its a lot to take in and very hard to deal with (and also hard to believe when you are that age). The school were excellent and very supportive which helped.

[taffyswife]

((hugs)) to your son.

[sweepy]

I have been thinking about this this evening. My eldest lewis was in an accident in june last year luckily for me just his car was a right off he was ok .The wall he went into just crumbled thank god. What i have noticed in the past year is that all his friends that have had cars every single one of them has had a crash. Most of them just cuts and bruises and a couple of broken bones none of them serious.
Zaul is right have a chat to him about him dont let him bottle it up you do think at that age nothing can happen to you and your friends.
Big hugs the poor parents of the child they must be in bits.
sweepyxx

[Poppyfields]

I have been thinking about this this evening. My eldest lewis was in an accident in june last year luckily for me just his car was a right off he was ok .The wall he went into just crumbled thank god. What i have noticed in the past year is that all his friends that have had cars every single one of them has had a crash. Most of them just cuts and bruises and a couple of broken bones none of them serious.
Zaul is right have a chat to him about him dont let him bottle it up you do think at that age nothing can happen to you and your friends.
Big hugs the poor parents of the child they must be in bits.
sweepyxx

so sorry for you all.... my son is 17 and drives.... it scares the hell out of me.... but we live rurally and he needs to drive... thing is I lost too many friends at his age and I still remeber the detals so well... please try and get your son to talk it will help

[boysmum]

Sorry to hear your news, I also have young son's who drive and it scares me.

Thinking of all those involed and your son

[mutley muppet]

I'm so sorry. :hug:

[cazzarooni]

How sad, I'm so sorry x

[Darkangel709]

Sorry to hear about this have left a comment...hugs to your son...tell him to remember the good times. Condolences goes out to the family and friends and for those who are still in hospital keep fighting.

[Mrs Lady C]

Such a tragic thing to happen
Plenty of hugs for your son. Will he talk to you?
Hi tyroleandancer, my son had a good cry on my shoulder when he came home yesterday and we have talked about it but he was still raw this morning when he set off for college, I am really hoping that the rest of his friends involved are going to make it now as things are still looking bad for 3 of the others at the moment. :(:(:(
Sorry to hear about this have left a comment...hugs to your son...tell him to remember the good times. Condolences goes out to the family and friends and for those who are still in hospital keep fighting.
Thank you Darkangel, I have just been having a read of the comments people have left for ches and for the others involved, I haven't added a comment yet as I am going to let my ds write one first to say what he wants to say to ches, when he get's back from college today.

Thank you everybody for your kind words it means a lot and is helping me have the strength to support my son. :)

[Mrs Lady C]

OMG - sorry to hear this - its also very spooky and has shaken me up as in Jan 1989 one of my then best friends and neighbour was seriously injured and her brother killed in almost exactly the same spot on that road - he was 17 at the time and she was 15. After reading the article (it was strange reading The Somerset Guardian again - its been a while) the accident looks identical to the one just over 20 years ago.

I was 16 at the time and can remember the whole time to this very day - its a lot to take in and very hard to deal with (and also hard to believe when you are that age). The school were excellent and very supportive which helped.

Sorry if this story has upset you The Wizard of Oz you must know know exactly how this community is feeling at the moment having been through this yourself at that age, I am praying for the lifes of the other involved to be spared.

[tyroleandancer]

Hi tyroleandancer, my son had a good cry on my shoulder when he came home yesterday and we have talked about it but he was still raw this morning when he set off for college, I am really hoping that the rest of his friends involved are going to make it now as things are still looking bad for 3 of the others at the moment. :(:(:(

Thank you Darkangel, I have just been having a read of the comments people have left for ches and for the others involved, I haven't added a comment yet as I am going to let my ds write one first to say what he wants to say to ches, when he get's back from college today.

Thank you everybody for your kind words it means a lot and is helping me have the strength to support my son. :)

It is so hard for them to come to terms with. My ds has been affected this week by a friends death:( he was also 17, ds very down at the moment. I know exactly how you feel :hug:

[pammy]

My sister lost a friend when they were 13, this lad has a double grave at the cemetary and every year there are loads of presents left there and a large picture of him.
its very upsetting when someone dies so young.
Thinking of you and there family and hope the others pull through. As has been said this will stick with them forever :(

:hug:

[Mrs Lady C]

I have been thinking about this this evening. My eldest lewis was in an accident in june last year luckily for me just his car was a right off he was ok .The wall he went into just crumbled thank god. What i have noticed in the past year is that all his friends that have had cars every single one of them has had a crash. Most of them just cuts and bruises and a couple of broken bones none of them serious.
Zaul is right have a chat to him about him dont let him bottle it up you do think at that age nothing can happen to you and your friends.
Big hugs the poor parents of the child they must be in bits.
sweepyxx

so sorry for you all.... my son is 17 and drives.... it scares the hell out of me.... but we live rurally and he needs to drive... thing is I lost too many friends at his age and I still remeber the detals so well... please try and get your son to talk it will help

Sorry to hear your news, I also have young son's who drive and it scares me.

Thinking of all those involed and your son

Please stress to your children the importance of wearing a seat belt as I know that most of the teens in this accident were not, I don't know if that would have changed anything as this was a high speed accident caused through a game of cat and mouse, hence the arrest of the other driver 18 for dangerous driving who was not directly involved in the collision but he was edging on the other car by playing this extremely stupid game. I tell my son every time he gets in my car to wear his seat belt because he is one of these who will not put it on otherwise and I know if he would have been in that car it would have been without a seatbelt, :mad::mad::mad: being autistic he doesn't see or feel danger, I am hoping this will be a turning point for him.

[The Wizard of Oz]

Sorry if this story has upset you The Wizard of Oz you must know know exactly how this community is feeling at the moment having been through this yourself at that age, I am praying for the lifes of the other involved to be spared.


Don't worry hun - it didn't upset me - just found it really strange and spooky that just over 20 years ago the same type of accident happened, in roughly the same spot with the same aged children and roughly the same sad outcome - and me, being in the same shoes as your son again roughly being about the same age - it was like history repeating itself all over again.

Hope your son is coping ok.

[Mardrew]

This is so, so sad.

My boys are 18 and whilst they are not yet driving a lot of their friends are and, I must admit, I do feel scared when I know they are going out in a group in cars.

My thoughts are with everyone involved.

[harryboy]

my thoughts are with all involved, my DD is 17 next year & im worrying already!

[tyroleandancer]

My ds has been learning for 2 weeks. I am a nervous wreck.

[Mrs Lady C]

I have just found out it was Chesney's brother Clayton who was driving the car that killed him, I thought it was his cousin. Clayton is still in a bad way, OMG their poor mum this must be a nightmare for her. :(:(:(

[hflower74]

Its awful why do they think there invincible? 2 lads drove passed me on the ring road early and i noticed neither of them was wearing a seat belt, it turnt my stomach thinking what would happen to them if they crashed.

Also there is a lady in my road who drives her 2 children to school every morning without seat belts, they are 6 and 8 and the younger boy is in my daughters class, i am on the verve of reporting her, just not sure the best way to go about it.

[Mrs Lady C]

Has anybody read the story in a magazine this week about Nikki Catsouras who took her dads Porsche after having an argument with her father over sneaking a cigarette,Nikki Catsouras was tragically killed in a horrific 2006 car accident on Halloween while driving her Dad’s porsche sports car. Nikki Catsouras was only 18 years old at the time of the crash. After being devastated with the news of their young daughter, Nikki Catsouras tragic accident, the parents soon began receiving anonymous emails and text messages showing photos of their daughter’s accident. Some of the photos were as graphic as showing their daughter, Nikki’s, decapitated body still belted into the vehicle. I can understand the parents upset over the photos being leaked onto the internet, but if photos like this are shown to young drivers surely it would make them think twice before they start speeding. I have looked at the pictures and they are the most horrific pictures as you can imagine but I am seriously considering showing them to my son who is nearly 17 to put him off getting in cars with kid's his age who might speed. What do you think?

[obscure]

Has anybody read the story in a magazine this week about Nikki Catsouras who took her dads Porsche after having an argument with her father over sneaking a cigarette,Nikki Catsouras was tragically killed in a horrific 2006 car accident on Halloween while driving her Dad’s porsche sports car. Nikki Catsouras was only 18 years old at the time of the crash. After being devastated with the news of their young daughter, Nikki Catsouras tragic accident, the parents soon began receiving anonymous emails and text messages showing photos of their daughter’s accident. Some of the photos were as graphic as showing their daughter, Nikki’s, decapitated body still belted into the vehicle. I can understand the parents upset over the photos being leaked onto the internet, but if photos like this are shown to young drivers surely it would make them think twice before they start speeding. I have looked at the pictures and they are the most horrific pictures as you can imagine but I am seriously considering showing them to my son who is nearly 17 to put him off getting in cars with kid's his age who might speed. What do you think?



Since you ask......
You have said how upset your son is by the accident and showing him pictures of another one right now could totally freak him out so that he either:
resents you hugely for showing him and for not caring how he feels or
hardens him to it so that he doesnt give a damn

Am absolutely lousey idea at the moment IMHO, more about how you feel than thinking about how it could affect him.

Sorry to be blunt but you did ask.

[Mrs Lady C]

Since you ask......
You have said how upset your son is by the accident and showing him pictures of another one right now could totally freak him out so that he either:
resents you hugely for showing him and for not caring how he feels or
hardens him to it so that he doesnt give a damn

Am absolutely lousey idea at the moment IMHO, more about how you feel than thinking about how it could affect him.

Sorry to be blunt but you did ask.

Thank you for your honesty, I did wonder if the timing was a bit inappropriate because of what has happened, I was only considering it as I have thought about this a lot this week and then I read the story about Nikki and thought if kids this age saw the consequences in such a graphic way it could make a real difference to their behavior when they are getting in cars with kids this sort of age.

[Mrs Lady C]

I am really ****ed off, my son didn't go to chezney funeral on Friday because for the last week their have been rumours?lies going around that somebody seen my son wearing chezneys coat which was left with the flowers at the side of the rd where he died in the accident, over the last week my ds has been getting nasty emails from this girl constantly and over the weekend he has had gangs of boys trying to beat him up, my oh had to dash to his friends house Saturday night as a group of them were trying to get into my ds friends house to beat him up. He is also having kid's making constant remarks to him about it wherever he is and was verbally abused by this girl and her vile mates the other night when he was in tesco's with his friend's family. :mad::mad::mad: I have spoken to the college about it and up to now it hasn't made any difference, I am not sure what to do next to sort this mess out. :(:(:(

[hflower74]

OMG thats awful!
Is it that one girl who is stirring it all up for your son? Maybe you should show her parents the nasty emails and ask them to have a word?
Easier said than done though!

[Mamzie]

It sounds like a very difficult time for him.

Is there anyone else that could speak up for him. I think teens act like packs of wolves sometimes when they decide to single out someone for their abuse. I would also consider starting to log things with the police, you can ask them just to give yo a log number and take a report and request that they don't pursue the matter. Just in case you ever needed evidence for an injunction.

[Mrs Lady C]

OMG thats awful!
Is it that one girl who is stirring it all up for your son? Maybe you should show her parents the nasty emails and ask them to have a word?
Easier said than done though!
I don't know where this girl lives :( but I do know her full name.
It sounds like a very difficult time for him.

Is there anyone else that could speak up for him. I think teens act like packs of wolves sometimes when they decide to single out someone for their abuse. I would also consider starting to log things with the police, you can ask them just to give yo a log number and take a report and request that they don't pursue the matter. Just in case you ever needed evidence for an injunction.

I am going to phone my ds college today and if they don't get back to me with some proper answers I think I will contact the police to see what they say about it, as I am at the end of my tether with this now, more nasty emails last night. :mad::mad::mad:

[tyroleandancer]

I don't know where this girl lives :( but I do know her full name.


I am going to phone my ds college today and if they don't get back to me with some proper answers I think I will contact the police to see what they say about it, as I am at the end of my tether with this now, more nasty emails last night. :mad::mad::mad:

So sorry you are going thru this :(
I think the police would be a good idea
If the surname is unusual you may find her address in the phone book. how is your son today?

[Darkangel709]

Right keep the emails. Make notes of times and whats been going on etc. There is a law that came out in 1997 its called the harassment law.....it is not a civil matter it is a criminal offence. But make the girl aware that you are logging everything that is happening. Then take it to the police and get something done about it. If the police dont help then go and see a solicitor. It is a criminal offence and the person can do jail time! It is a form of harrassment.

[Darkangel709]

• MALICIOUS COMMUNICATIONS •


A common and particularly unpleasant form of harassment is that involving malicious communications either through the post, the telephone, Fax, by cyberstalking through the internet or, an increasing problem, by the use of Text or SMS messages sent to mobile phones.

Under section 1 of the Malicious Communications Act 1998 it is an offence to send an indecent, offensive or threatening letter, electronic communication or other article to another person and sections 85 Postal Services Act 2000 or s127 Communications Act 2003 there are similar specific offences relating to sending postal or telephone messages which are indecent offensive or threatening. Both offences are punishable with up to six months imprisonment and/or a fine. Because the Malicious Communications Offence is more wide ranging than the Telecommunications offence it is more likely to be charged by the Police than the Postal Services or Communications Act offences.

In most cases involving malicious communications however there will be more than one offensive or threatening letter or telephone call and therefore the police will often choose to charge the offender with an offence contrary to section 2 of the Protection from Harassment Act 1997. Part of the reason for using this charge is that when someone is convicted of an offence under the Protection from Harassment Act the court can make a Restraining Order preventing them from contacting their victim again. Breach of a Restraining Order is punishable with up to Five years imprisonment. A Restraining Order cannot be imposed for a conviction under the Postal Services or Communications Act offences.

If the messages e-mails, phone calls etc cause the victim to fear that violence will be used agaisnt them then the police can choose to charge the offender with an offence contrary to section 4 of the Protection from Harassment Act 1997 which is punishable with up to Five years imprisonment and also allows the court to make a Restraining Order.

If the offensive or threatening letter, electronic communication or other article is racialist in nature or motivated by religious hostility then charges could be brought contrary to sections 32(1)(a) or 32(1)(b) of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 . In serious cases offenders could face up to 7 years imprisonment.

The fact that an offensive telephone call, letter e-mail etc may be received in the course of work and have been sent by a work colleague or manager does not justify the message or prevent it being an offence. Offensive messages sent within the workplace can still constitute criminal offences. In addition they may justify a claim for constructive dismissal and compensation under employment law .


Dealing with malicious letters or telephone calls
Where an offensive or threatening letter or call is received the police should be informed particularly if the harassment continues.

DO NOT DESTROY THE LETTER or envelope. They will be needed as evidence in any criminal or civil trial. The police will also need the envelope in order to trace the sender or to check for fingerprints or other forensic evidence. If it is a phone call and it is possible to obtain a recording then that too should be retained and not destroyed. The same applies to offensive e-mails, faxes and text messages.

If it is a case of anonymous telephone calls then BT should be informed. They work with the police to trace malicious telephone callers and they have a very dedicated specialist department with an excellent record in this area.

Civil Proceedings
In many situations the recipient of malicious messages knows who the sender is. It may be a former partner or a relative. In these situations there may be a reluctance to involve the police. In those circumstances the victim could consider taking out an Injunction under Section 3 of the Protection from Harassment Act 1997. I would always advise informing the police especially if the messages are in any way threatening. BT incidentally will insist on the police being informed before they will assist in tracing an anonymous caller. Even if the police decide not to prosecute they may give the offender a formal warning which could be used in evidence if they repeated their behaviour in future.

If the malicious caller is caught then the victim can sue the offender under Section 3 of the Protection from Harassment Act for compensation for the anxiety and for any financial loss caused.



Cyberstalking
Cyberstalking is the sending of malicious messages through e-mail and the internet. Though based on modern technology it is in principle exactly the same as any other form of malicious communication and can be dealt with through the normal civil and criminal law. The police have successfully used the Protection from Harassment Act in order to prosecute the sending of offensive e-mails through the Internet and such messages will also constitute an offence under the Malicious Communications Act.

If you are the victim of cyberstalking then it is important to inform the police and your Internet Service provider. DO NOT DELETE THE MESSAGES they will be required as evidence in any criminal or civil trial and in addition the police and the Internet Service Provider will need the original messages in order to trace the sender.

In 1999 the US Attorney General published a Report on Cyberstalking which provides an interesting overview of the problem

The following Web Sites also provide useful information and advice:
www.wiredsafety.org
www.cyberangels.org


Messages To/From outside England and Wales
There is often a lot of confusion as to the legal position where either the sender or the recipient of an offensive communication is outside the jurisdiction of English law. The Internet in particular is often assumed to be completely outside of any legal control. That is not the case though the legal position is not as clear as it could be and the Government has not specifically legislated to clarify the position.

In general terms provided the offensive message was either sent from within England and Wales or was received within England and Wales then an offence has been committed which the police and the courts in England and Wales can deal with.

Where the offender has sent the message from outside England and Wales the Police will usually inform their foreign counterparts. It will frequently be the case that the offender has also broken the law in his own jurisdiction and will be dealt with by the authorities in that jurisdiction.

Similarly if someone in England and Wales is harassing someone abroad by means of letters e-mails etc and the Police in England and Wales are informed of this then the offender could be arrested for criminal harassment and prosecuted regardless of the fact the victim was abroad.

taken from the site http://www.neiladdison.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/

www.HarassmentLaw.co.uk

Hope this helps hun xxx

[Mrs Lady C]

So sorry you are going thru this :(
I think the police would be a good idea
If the surname is unusual you may find her address in the phone book. how is your son today?

My ds is asleep at the moment, hence no college today but he is really upset and angry about losing his friend and then all hassle he is now getting, the college have said they are arranging counsellings for him which might help him cope with grieving for his friend but I don't think it will help with dealing with these lies. :(:(:(

[Mrs Lady C]

Thanks DA, I have told my ds to keep all the emails and I have also printed them all out, I am ringing the college now, I will post back in a bit what they have to say about it.

[Mrs Lady C]

I rang the college but could not get through to the person who is supposed to be dealing with this so I have now contacted the police and given them the details, they are going to send somebody round to take all the details down so I am hopeful that this girl will at last be spoken too. :)

[Darkangel709]

Its ok hun anything to help. I didnt realise that there was an act that came into force in 1997. Hope you get it sorted and would ask them to quote the harassment act to her and tell them she could go to prison for it....good luck hun xx

[Mrs Lady C]

I just rang my ds friends mum to let her know I have contacted the police and that they will properly need to speak to her about these kid's threating to burn down her house and kicking her fence down etc on Saturday she said she was going to ring me to let me know that her ds walked to the shops last night and 2 separate groups of boys came up to him asking if he was on his way to meet my ds as they are going to give him a kicking. :mad::mad::mad:

[Darkangel709]

That all needs to be noted down as well cs...this nasty vindictive girl needs a good sorting out. Hope it gets to court!

[Mrs Lady C]

I have heard back from the college and the police now, the girl is going to be spoken too today and the police are going to contact the college and the local school where the rumour seems to be spreading to get them to hold a assembly where all the pupils will be told that there are gangs of kids out head hunting other children based on lies in relation to chezney, the children will also be told that the police are now actively involved and any further incidents reported will be dealt with by the police accordingly.
I hope this will sort this mess out and my son can now be left alone to grieve for his friend.

[Darkangel709]

Well done and just hope that this works but i would definately get your friend to phone the police and tell them that her house has been threatened with being set on fire because of your ds would be there...now that is very scary and yes she definately needs sorting out! Hope it works out for you keep us updated if you can xxxx

[Mrs Lady C]

Thanks DA, I can't believe how upset I feel today over all this (crying all day), so it must be totally unbearable for my ds. :(:(:(

[zoot]

Sorry you are going through all this thecouponlady. darkangel you have given some fantastic advice and support and i will rep you for it. It sounds like things might get sorted out now the police are involved. Hopefully when everyone realises the seriouslness of their actions then it will stop.

[Darkangel709]

Awww ty zoot but there really is no need for a rep...its only because i am claiming for whiplash injuries from the accident and told the person who's dealing with it about all the abuse that i had regarding it. That he told me about the harrassment law of 1997. Otherwise i wouldnt have known about it....also if i can help out anybody with any advice i will do as i makes me happy that i know i am helping someone else out.

[Darkangel709]

Have actually spoken to the person that gave me the info on the harassment act of 1997 and just said to him thank you very much have been able to use and pass this information on to someone else and i hope that it has helped them and others too. He was pleased that he could be of service

[Mrs Lady C]

Just a small update my ds has been to college today and nobody said anything to him about the coat, :clap2: it is still early days so I am not completely convinced yet that this has been completely resolved as he hasn't had to walk anywhere around the area yet, I guess the next few days will give me more of a ideal.

Ps, the emails have also stopped for now.

[Darkangel709]

Yeah i bet they have...but would still keep hold of them for quite a while, because even when you think it has calmed down it will still be simmering. Dont let your defences down yet....as a few weeks or months later they will think that it is ok to try and do it again....well done so far hun and good luck xxxx

[Mrs Lady C]

Yeah i bet they have...but would still keep hold of them for quite a while, because even when you think it has calmed down it will still be simmering. Dont let your defences down yet....as a few weeks or months later they will think that it is ok to try and do it again....well done so far hun and good luck xxxx

Thanks DA you have been a great help so thank you. :D:D:D

[Darkangel709]

No problems what so ever am just glad i have been of some help. xxx

[tyroleandancer]

I hope that is the end of it
There are so many nasty people about

[Mrs Lady C]

Guess who was emailing my ds last night to say how sorry they are, :rolleyes: I think somebody has had a talking too, :D she also emailed my son her mobile number, :shocked: I sort of feel like giving her a ring to :rant: but I will resist the urge lol.

[holliemon]

I am glad it has all worked out for you and your son

[Darkangel709]

Good but still dont let your guard down....let her sweat it out....she caused all of this trouble to start with hope he makes her really sweat about it.

[Maldives]

I have only just read this... so sorry your son has gone through the mill over his friend dying.... people can be so cruel.. I hope now that is the end of the nastyness.

:hug:

Nice work Darkangel ...

[Darkangel709]

Didnt do owt really maldives just passed on some info that i got told because i am making a claim.

[Maldives]

But at least you knew the info... I would not of had a clue ... always good to share/pool our info..

[microjan]

sorry hun only just caught this thread, i feel for you and your son, its so hard.
where i live is where all the suicides have been happening, kids both my DD an DS knew

[Darkangel709]

Yeah like if you are going to claim compensation for a car accident or something i have got information on what you can and cant cliam for and what you have to do as well.....intresting to say the least. Sorry for hijacking thread cl xxxx

If want to know then pm me.....lol

[Mrs Lady C]

sorry hun only just caught this thread, i feel for you and your son, its so hard.
where i live is where all the suicides have been happening, kids both my DD an DS knew

:hug::hug::hug: That's awful Mj and must be such a worry for you, are your children able to talk to you about how their feeling?