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salsa
1st October 2009, 14:42
Can't believe what I am hearing on the news about a nursery worker paedophile. words fail me - what is this world coming to where you can't trust anyone.

heatherks
1st October 2009, 14:50
really sad to think you put a person like this ..male or female in trust to your kids

i was suprised to find out yesterday our primary school doesnt even fill in a disclosure check on parent helpers ...i even had to have one done (at my own cost ) for a online course on positive parenting

blond1e
1st October 2009, 14:50
makes my blood boil!!! its too awful for words. those poor little innocent children!

Diamond
1st October 2009, 14:51
I know I just heard it on the news! the kids cant be identified so the poor parents dont know what happened to their kids exactly. Seems the contacts were made through facebook, guess there are some sick paedophiles out there targetting nursery workers. Turns my stomach to be honest

VeryTrying
1st October 2009, 14:55
i even had to have one done (at my own cost ) for a online course on positive parenting



That's just ridiculous :confused: I think these registers and checking have all gone a bit far now. They obviously don't work very well anyway,
or this current case could not have happened.

MrsTom
1st October 2009, 15:09
That's just ridiculous :confused: I think these registers and checking have all gone a bit far now. They obviously don't work very well anyway,
or this current case could not have happened.

I did see on the news that those charged have not got any previous offences.

Maverick
1st October 2009, 15:13
Paedos have allways taken jobs that enable them to be near children.

VeryTrying
1st October 2009, 15:23
That's just ridiculous :confused: I think these registers and checking have all gone a bit far now. They obviously don't work very well anyway,
or this current case could not have happened.


I did see on the news that those charged have not got any previous offences.


Exactly!

DaisyChain
1st October 2009, 15:25
The man had been on the sex offenders' register for 5y. Started up again when removed according to TV report.

wwcrazy
1st October 2009, 16:21
Can't believe what I am hearing on the news about a nursery worker paedophile. words fail me - what is this world coming to where you can't trust anyone.


I preferred the original title!

Heard the news on the radio, I hope they get everything they deserve.

Highland_Lass
1st October 2009, 16:26
Just caught the tail end of it on the news. Absolutely disgusting. I work in a primary school but feel the checks should be renewed every so often, and not just when changing jobs etc.

VeryTrying
1st October 2009, 16:29
J. I work in a primary school but feel the checks should be renewed every so often, and not just when changing jobs etc.

The checks could have been run every month in this case, and would have uncovered nothing untoward - so are they really much use?

They just lull everybody into a false sense of security by making everybody believe that the powers-that-be are protecting us.
We can't be protected to the extent most of us would like, so why pretend that all is well.

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Diamond
1st October 2009, 16:48
yep what happened to the first title was much more accurate!

Addy
1st October 2009, 16:50
It amazes me how these animals manage to find each other to collaborate in such evil crimes. I read they met through Facebook.....how the hell does such a conversation arise? Same with gang rapes, who would be the first one to actually say "how about we......!!!"

Those poor kids, these sick individuals deserve to rot.

Siaron
1st October 2009, 17:56
This has really upset me as my DD is in creche (as are many others here of course). I have total trust in everybody there, but then I suppose everybody had total trust in this woman as well otherwise they wouldn't have left their children there everyday.
I just can't understand why somebody would want to do something like this, much less take pictures or film themselves doing it. Friends of my dad's used to foster abused children and during a conversation they once said that it's a good job that we can't understand or it would make us as sick as them.
I just hope to god that they've been got hold of by the end of the day in whichever prison they end up in tonight.
I do feel so very sorry for the woman's children and husband though - their lives are going to be hell for evermore.
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linderella
1st October 2009, 18:08
really sad to think you put a person like this ..male or female in trust to your kids

i was suprised to find out yesterday our primary school doesnt even fill in a disclosure check on parent helpers ...i even had to have one done (at my own cost ) for a online course on positive parenting
That is wrong anyone they except in to help whether its school, scouts or mum helpers they have to have a CRB etc check, not sure why they didn't and not heard news yet but they will prob be shut down!!

Khufu
1st October 2009, 18:11
I have total trust in everybody there,

This sounds a bit harsh - but why do you?

I don't have total trust in anyone but myself, how do you know what happens when you're not there? Its really important IMO not to rely on checks which are half arsed, adn only catch convicted offenders (a tiny portion of offenders) but to arrive at teh nursery at random times, always snoop round a bit, don't be trusting. I feel I owe it to my children, and even now randomly arrive at friends and relatives houses, or check what's gooig on in other rooms and mine are far and away old enough to talk.

These people appear trustworthy, if they didn't they'd be caught faster/all the time.

VeryTrying
1st October 2009, 18:24
This sounds a bit harsh - but why do you? I don't have total trust in anyone but myself, how do you know what happens when you're not there? Its really important IMO not to rely on checks which are half arsed, and only catch convicted offenders (a tiny portion of offenders)


Thank heavens at least somebody doesn't believe the government can wave a magic wand and make everything better. You've really got to stand on your own two feet as much as possible :(

Khufu
1st October 2009, 18:32
It amazes me how these animals manage to find each other to collaborate in such evil crimes. I read they met through Facebook.....how the hell does such a conversation arise? Same with gang rapes, who would be the first one to actually say "how about we......!!!"


People meet and dismiss each other all the time, if you donít like someone because they appear not right you donít interact with them again, if you like them you get to know them better. Over time you become more relaxed and say/ do things you wouldnít in the wider community, if the other person doesnít react, or tops it you know you can progress. Thatís how they get to know each other, and also because it isnít the minority crime that itís often portrayed as. A thread a year or so ago on here led to many revelations of abuse and Iím sure many more people read and didnít post.

Iím not talking specifically about this crime now, but when you have a culture that has already gone beyond a point Ė so for example portraying women always in a sexual way; having semi pornographic images on front covers at eye level in the newsagent youíve already begun a slippery slope to the ďShe asked for itĒ defence, because its not explicitly challenged all the time. You make changes when most people are on their guard, ready to challenge, and not just think: Iíll stay away from them.

Georgie
1st October 2009, 22:19
This sounds a bit harsh - but why do you?

I don't have total trust in anyone but myself, how do you know what happens when you're not there? Its really important IMO not to rely on checks which are half arsed, adn only catch convicted offenders (a tiny portion of offenders) but to arrive at teh nursery at random times, always snoop round a bit, don't be trusting. I feel I owe it to my children, and even now randomly arrive at friends and relatives houses, or check what's gooig on in other rooms and mine are far and away old enough to talk.

These people appear trustworthy, if they didn't they'd be caught faster/all the time.


I have always totally hated the american concept of 'sleepovers' that have been imposed on us here. From the age of about 6 to 15 my daughter was pressurised both into going on these and us having them here.

What better set up could their be for child abuse, I was one of the 'horrid mummys' who just would not let her go on them for many, many years, but as she got into her teens she put more and more pressure on me and I gave in in the end :(

I also couldn't see what anyone got out of them, little kids trying to stay awake as long as they possibly can and then the whole of the following day being a washout due to cronic tiredness and irritability.

beckieboop
1st October 2009, 22:35
i had to wait 3 months to start my course in school while awaiting my check, they dont even let you in without one which i think is great! even the ladies who come in to sit and listen to the kids read are all checked out.
sleepovers ...... i dont have them, im a horrid mummy and my little girl wont be stoppin anywhere else either! you just dont know what people are capable of and personally if anythin happened to her i would never forgive myself
bex xx

Mamzie
1st October 2009, 22:42
That is wrong anyone they except in to help whether its school, scouts or mum helpers they have to have a CRB etc check, not sure why they didn't and not heard news yet but they will prob be shut down!!


really sad to think you put a person like this ..male or female in trust to your kids

i was suprised to find out yesterday our primary school doesnt even fill in a disclosure check on parent helpers ...i even had to have one done (at my own cost ) for a online course on positive parenting

At discretion of headteacher and school I believe, as long as helpers are not alone with children.


This sounds a bit harsh - but why do you?

I don't have total trust in anyone but myself, how do you know what happens when you're not there? Its really important IMO not to rely on checks which are half arsed, adn only catch convicted offenders (a tiny portion of offenders) but to arrive at teh nursery at random times, always snoop round a bit, don't be trusting. I feel I owe it to my children, and even now randomly arrive at friends and relatives houses, or check what's gooig on in other rooms and mine are far and away old enough to talk.

These people appear trustworthy, if they didn't they'd be caught faster/all the time.

As far I'm I'm concerned CRBs are just like a MOT, tech valid for that day, but may be out of date the next. Gut instinct and wariness may often be better, and a parents/child instincts should always be respected.

I have 5 CRBS at last count, school, nursery, tots, swimming club, bf support...

charlie
1st October 2009, 22:44
really sad to think you put a person like this ..male or female in trust to your kids

i was suprised to find out yesterday our primary school doesnt even fill in a disclosure check on parent helpers ...i even had to have one done (at my own cost ) for a online course on positive parenting

Report them...its gonna be law soon under the new vetting and barring scheme...and I'm sure its a "must do" now...we as school nurses are having to produce our CRB checks before they will allow us into some schools at the moment as they are all getting really security concious

Georgie
1st October 2009, 22:50
At discretion of headteacher and school I believe, as long as helpers are not alone with children.



As far I'm I'm concerned CRBs are just like a MOT, tech valid for that day, but may be out of date the next. Gut instinct and wariness may often be better, and a parents/child instincts should always be respected.

I have 5 CRBS at last count, school, nursery, tots, swimming club, bf support...

So true Mazmie about CRB's and likening them to an MOT. Not saying they are valueless, but it is a huge bottemless pit for Local authoritys, schools, charities etc money and there is nothing ton stop a person offending the day after they are cleared.

Sometimes I think that the money could be better spent on more teachers, social workers, police and other services than a huge QWANGO like the CRB. Another of this governments dubious 'solutions' and a (slow) knee jerk reaction to Soham.

I would think Capita is probably the only one who is 100% happy with the system. Perhaps Vetting and Barring will be an improvement, but I am not holding my breathe.

Mamzie
1st October 2009, 23:01
I know I am a little ott, but I so wish that chemical castration was a punishment for these crimes. I am sure I have read theres a huge reoffending risk, and why should it always be the innocents paying the price.

Schools, Clubs and groups, etc are crying out for helpers, and the amount of hoops and red tape is getting rediculous. Children need intergenerational links with adults. Its as if everyone has to prove their innocence and all adults may be predators. When its actually the ruddy predators that manage to elude the checks and know how to work the system. Yet people get conned into a false sense of security instead of keeping a wary eye out!!! And some who would be fab at helping, decide there is too much hassle to help a local kids club.

And we wonder why kids are running wild...

Georgie
1st October 2009, 23:26
I know its awful isnt it. :( There is a huge risk of re-offending, read a recent report only last week of a convicted offended whom the experts deemed 'cured' after 7 years in prison and within two weeks of being released had raped a minor again.:(

The convicts have more rights than the victims.:(

lisa
1st October 2009, 23:40
I know I am a little ott, but I so wish that chemical castration was a punishment for these crimes. I am sure I have read theres a huge reoffending risk, and why should it always be the innocents paying the price.

I dont think it's ott, that or bring back capital punishment, they don't deserve anything but harsh punishment. We'll all have to pay to keep them inside for the next how many years and they'll be free albeit on a sex offenders register but that obviously doesn't stop them, cause the man had already been on it. This happened in my home town and I'm so relived that I didn't send my little girl there. I can't begin to imagine what the parents are going through.

*debbie*
2nd October 2009, 09:14
I work in a playgroup, with from kids 2.5 - 5 years, and I'm the designated person for child protection. I've just been on my refresher course, and the responsiblity of it makes me loose sleep. Even with my courses etc I still find it hard to imagine a woman sexually abusing a child, what on earth could they have been thinking.

Roll on the new checks, at least they highlight any suspected offending behaviour, not just convictions.

Siaron
2nd October 2009, 14:45
This sounds a bit harsh - but why do you?

I don't have total trust in anyone but myself, how do you know what happens when you're not there? Its really important IMO not to rely on checks which are half arsed, adn only catch convicted offenders (a tiny portion of offenders) but to arrive at teh nursery at random times, always snoop round a bit, don't be trusting. I feel I owe it to my children, and even now randomly arrive at friends and relatives houses, or check what's gooig on in other rooms and mine are far and away old enough to talk.

These people appear trustworthy, if they didn't they'd be caught faster/all the time.

I trust them because if I didn't there is no way on earth that I'd leave my child there! I live in a small town where everybody know's everybody. I know that may sound naive but you'd need to live in the area to understand. There are some friends and relatives that I would leave her with and there are some that I wouldn't even dream of doing that with (relatives not friends - or they wouldn't be!) I think that trust is needed in other people or my daughter will grow up afraid of everybody and that is certainly something that I don't want happening. She'll be taught who she can trust and who she can't - in the same way that I and my brother and sister have.
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