Animal Testing

[Angel]

Can anyone reccomend a good cruelty-free concealer? I posted this thread some time ago.

I have what I consider to be VERY dark circles underneath my eyes, which is probably due to illness

[mutley muppet]

Can anyone reccomend a good cruelty-free concealer? I posted this thread some time ago.

I have what I consider to be VERY dark circles underneath my eyes, which is probably due to illness

Beauty without cruelty make one, see here: http://www.animalaidshop.org.uk/cosmetics.htm

Also lavera concealer: http://www.vegetarian.org.uk/shop/sale.shtml

I have terrible bags aswell. I have used the BWC concealer and it is ok.
Sounds awful, but apart from a bit of mascara I have given up on any make up at the moment. Think I'm a lost cause!!
MM. x

[Angel]

Beauty without cruelty make one, see here: http://www.animalaidshop.org.uk/cosmetics.htm

Also lavera concealer: http://www.vegetarian.org.uk/shop/sale.shtml

I have terrible bags aswell. I have used the BWC concealer and it is ok.
Sounds awful, but apart from a bit of mascara I have given up on any make up at the moment. Think I'm a lost cause!!
MM. x

Thanks MM I will have a look.

I feel very much like that as well

[Angel]

I found a very nice foundation from b never too busy to be beautiful there is not a store near me, although they were happy to send out free samples so that I could make sure I buy the right shade.

Here is a good eyeliner from Urban Decay. I tested it on my hand and rubbed it, and it did not even smudge! Boots are currently offering 500 points when you buy any two Urban Decay products.

[M3chanical_animal]

Hey Angel,

I've just had a look and there is a store in Poole which is just around the corner from me and on my when I go to visit my parents - if you let me know what you want I'd be happy to pick it up for you on the way and post it to you - PM me if you are interested

[Angel]

Hey Angel,

I've just had a look and there is a store in Poole which is just around the corner from me and on my when I go to visit my parents - if you let me know what you want I'd be happy to pick it up for you on the way and post it to you - PM me if you are interested

Thanks M3

I received my foundation yesterday, and it is the first time I have ever had make-up with a 'use by' date on it. This is really useful as I never know how long make-up is good for once it has been opened.

[Greenpen]

I am very sceptical about claims that manufacturers do not test their products on animals. They may not test the final product nor the individual ingredients but at some time or other many of the ingredients will have been tested for irritancy and toxicity.

[Angel]

I am very sceptical about claims that manufacturers do not test their products on animals. They may not test the final product nor the individual ingredients but at some time or other many of the ingredients will have been tested for irritancy and toxicity.

If a manufacturer has a FCOD (Fixed Cut Off Date) of when they ceased animal testing, this means that no animal testing has taken place on either the product or the ingredients since that date.

The Naturewatch website will have further information on this if you wish to have a look.

[Greenpen]

If a manufacturer has a FCOD (Fixed Cut Off Date) of when they ceased animal testing, this means that no animal testing has taken place on either the product or the ingredients since that date.

The Naturewatch website will have further information on this if you wish to have a look.

I've spent an hour or so looking across this website and others related to it. The FCOD idea is interesting but presumably the companies using this still have to use preservatives in their products which at some time in the past have been subject to irritancy and toxicity testing. Its a rather ambiguous area as far as statements about animal testing are concerned.

Thirty years ago I worked for Boots as a cosmetic chemist developing their own brands of cosmetics and toiletries. They did not test products on animals then and many of their products used ingredients that would not have been tested for many years. They took the view that if you made a new product using safe ingredients and knew something of their interactions, then the product itself was safe. Seemed to work for them, although they were in a good position to monitor their own products as people could easily take them back to the shops. We used to get details of the complaint rates for individual proucts but I cannot recalled any that had irritancy problems that led to their withdrawal.

Some cosmetic products have become higher-tech since then and I have no knowledge of some of those ingredients that make you younger and more beautiful overnight. Many of the claims made by these products seem false to me as they claim to alter physiological processes, that would make them medicines. Just seen a advert on the TV for some product claiming to stimulate cell division to make skin appear better; scarey stuff interferring with cell division so I guess it's marketing hype rather than reality.

[malkie]

I totally agree with the above poster "interferring with cell division" sounds like a quick way to get cancer however it's likely to be a bogus claim from the cosmetic manufacturers.

As you point out (and I agree), 'cruelty free' just means that the particular product wasn't tested on animals, however the active ingredients absolutely were tested at some point in history to classify them as 'safe' to be put on human skin.